Isambard Crater

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  Red Alert - Propaganda is Being Used!!!!!!!!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  check out the latest watchtower:.

  "your defense?

  be determined to stick to jehovah’s organization and loyally support the leadership he provides—no matter what imperfections may surface.

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  It's telling people to trust the channel that gets so many things wrong or need adjusting with new understanding!
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  Effects of GB Manipulation

  by longgone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  because the gb controls it's members by f.o.g does that affect former members to be easily manipulated by self serving people as they start a new life outside the borg?

  the definition of a manipulator according to the cambridge dictionary is a person who controls people to their own advantage, often unfairly or dishonestly.

  sounds familiar doesn't it?.

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  Since awakening and having tried to go through the motions of faking still being a J.W for the past few years, I have become more and more sceptical of all organisations, information and, in a way, people. So in my case it's a 'no' in response to the FOG tactics used by the borganization having made me more susceptible to being coerced by others since leaving (at least in my mind and heart).
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  Red Alert - Propaganda is Being Used!!!!!!!!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  check out the latest watchtower:.

  "your defense?

  be determined to stick to jehovah’s organization and loyally support the leadership he provides—no matter what imperfections may surface.

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  These kinds of statements in Watchtowers make me sick, as I know that most congregants will lap it up, including close family members, who will stake their lives on what the 7 leaders say.
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  "Isn't it disgusting?", a sister said to me in service today

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "sorry, what's disgusting?

  ", i replied.

  "that thing we've just called on", the sister said in response.

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  "Sorry, what's disgusting?", I replied. "That thing we've just called on", the sister said in response. "You know, the gay. I can't wait til people like that are no more. They hardly ever change and give up their revolting lifestyle choices. I doubt he'll read the brochure we placed with him."

  I've got quite a lot of non-J.W gay and lesbian friends and they've all been wonderful to me over the years, so these comments hurt me personally, but I know most J.W's feel like this.

  It shows what kind of narrow-minded and prejudiced people some J.W's are, but if confronted they would just say such people live contrary to Jehovah's guidelines and the bible clearly shows they will die.
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  Is it possible that someone who gives really gushing comments might still be awake?

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  of the 50% of congregants who regularly participate, many of them give gushing answers about how appreciative they are, how wonderful jw.org is and so on, which makes me think nobody in my congregation is awake.

  but maybe it's possible for someone who comes across as super spiritual to be awake?

  i can't see how, though, as surely it's emotionally draining to fake it like that?

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  Of the 50% of congregants who regularly participate, many of them give gushing answers about how appreciative they are, how wonderful JW.org is and so on, which makes me think nobody in my congregation is awake. But maybe it's possible for someone who comes across as super spiritual to be awake? I can't see how, though, as surely it's emotionally draining to fake it like that?
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  How are midweek CLAM meetings solid spiritual food in ANY way?

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  besides the possibility that the theocratic ministry school was dropped to avoid the word 'school' appearing any longer for a.r.c child abuse reasons, the introduction of the new clam meetings for midweek has been one of the several main factors making me develop a repulsion for the jw.org religion.. okay, the watchtower study is fairly mickey mouse these days too, but the midweek meetings are truly awful and contribute to me feeling physically and emotionally ill, which i documented in my first post on here.. i'm quite a well-educated person and my job involves a lot of linguistic skill, thinking, communication, analysis, research, interpretation and presentation.

  the clam workbook is patronising and like something even school kids would tire of.. after a long day at work, i don't like the idea of dragging myself off to a midweek meeting in the cold dark nights let alone any other time of the year, but it'd be far better if it was for more solid spiritual food.

  somehow the meetings i grew up with as a child were more interesting.

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  Sanchy, in a very mild way, I actually shared my feelings about CLAM meetings being repetitious with a MS in my congregation. His reply was something like; "Well, that may be, but all our Christian meetings are primarily about association together, encouraging one another in these wicked last days. I'm sure, like all of us, you don't want to leave once you've arrived at the Kingdom Hall"

  Which goes back to what I said about hardly any J.W's really listening if you do tell them you're not well, and most others don't give straight answers to questions, and the rest hardly have anything to talk about. Conversation is painful there, whereas I get on with my work mates and neighbours so well.
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  How are midweek CLAM meetings solid spiritual food in ANY way?

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  besides the possibility that the theocratic ministry school was dropped to avoid the word 'school' appearing any longer for a.r.c child abuse reasons, the introduction of the new clam meetings for midweek has been one of the several main factors making me develop a repulsion for the jw.org religion.. okay, the watchtower study is fairly mickey mouse these days too, but the midweek meetings are truly awful and contribute to me feeling physically and emotionally ill, which i documented in my first post on here.. i'm quite a well-educated person and my job involves a lot of linguistic skill, thinking, communication, analysis, research, interpretation and presentation.

  the clam workbook is patronising and like something even school kids would tire of.. after a long day at work, i don't like the idea of dragging myself off to a midweek meeting in the cold dark nights let alone any other time of the year, but it'd be far better if it was for more solid spiritual food.

  somehow the meetings i grew up with as a child were more interesting.

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  Totally, nowwhat?, verse by verse dissection feels much more like proper bible study, along with context.
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  NEW LIGHT Regarding the feet of Iron & Clay. Can someone confirm?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this appeared on my facebook today.

  can anyone confirm if this has official gb bullshit approval?.

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  Does this help? The 2013 WT 7/15 3-8 says; "So, what can we expect will happen during the coming great tribulation? Jehovah will “cut short” the attack of the United Nations on false religion, not allowing true religion to be destroyed with the false. This will ensure that God’s people will be saved."

  Also, the 2012 WT 6/15 14-18 says; "Soon Jehovah will cause the political elements of Satan’s system, as represented by the United Nations, to attack false religion."

  But is the new understanding since 2012 that the US-UK world power will attack religion, not the UN, like what the Face book post says?
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  NEW LIGHT Regarding the feet of Iron & Clay. Can someone confirm?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this appeared on my facebook today.

  can anyone confirm if this has official gb bullshit approval?.

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  Isambard Crater

  I really hope this latest possible nu lite isn't true. I can't keep up with all the doctrine changes and org rebranding.

  Anyway, I read a headline that said Trump won't last another 6 months. Let's hope he quits/gets pushed, proving the Anglo-american nu lite wrong!
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  How are midweek CLAM meetings solid spiritual food in ANY way?

  by Isambard Crater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  besides the possibility that the theocratic ministry school was dropped to avoid the word 'school' appearing any longer for a.r.c child abuse reasons, the introduction of the new clam meetings for midweek has been one of the several main factors making me develop a repulsion for the jw.org religion.. okay, the watchtower study is fairly mickey mouse these days too, but the midweek meetings are truly awful and contribute to me feeling physically and emotionally ill, which i documented in my first post on here.. i'm quite a well-educated person and my job involves a lot of linguistic skill, thinking, communication, analysis, research, interpretation and presentation.

  the clam workbook is patronising and like something even school kids would tire of.. after a long day at work, i don't like the idea of dragging myself off to a midweek meeting in the cold dark nights let alone any other time of the year, but it'd be far better if it was for more solid spiritual food.

  somehow the meetings i grew up with as a child were more interesting.

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  Besides the possibility that the Theocratic Ministry School was dropped to avoid the word 'school' appearing any longer for A.R.C child abuse reasons, the introduction of the new CLAM meetings for midweek has been one of the several main factors making me develop a repulsion for the JW.org religion.

  Okay, the Watchtower study is fairly Mickey Mouse these days too, but the midweek meetings are truly awful and contribute to me feeling physically and emotionally ill, which I documented in my first post on here.

  I'm quite a well-educated person and my job involves a lot of linguistic skill, thinking, communication, analysis, research, interpretation and presentation. The CLAM workbook is patronising and like something even school kids would tire of.

  After a long day at work, I don't like the idea of dragging myself off to a midweek meeting in the cold dark nights let alone any other time of the year, but it'd be far better if it was for more solid spiritual food. Somehow the meetings I grew up with as a child were more interesting. These days, CLAM meetings are a carbon copy week on week. There's now no longer the opportunity to unearth genuinely interesting Bible highlights away from the dictated 'Jehovah' and 'ministry' questions, and the preprepared 'digging for spiritual gems' questions simply involve brothers or sisters repeating a Watchtower quote verbatim.

  The bit that makes my heart sink and to feel physically nauseous is the trio of demonstrations. This month, we've endured the silhouette video of memorial invitations, then this week it's about how to offer, guess what, the memorial invitations. Next week, you'd never guess, it's about how to offer memorial invitations. Most publishers in my congregation have been offering them for the last week, so do we really need constant simpleton demonstrations?

  The meeting then ends with 30 minutes of self-congratulatory stuff, which is rather contradictory and makes my mind wander onto Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson saying under oath in court in the Australian Royal Commission on child abuse that it would be presumptuous to call themselves the faithful and discrete slave, God's only channel.

  The 3-minute review of the meeting is so repetitive but not in a good way, and the preview of next week is the same. Once you've studied the CLAM workbook in preparation, you don't learn anything new at all by attending the meeting itself.

  'Association' afterwards comprises congregants saying how wonderful they feel to be in the centre for true worship, but during the meeting with 40 out of 80 publishers in attendance, only a handful participated and I saw loads of yawning. Someone in the ministry said to me lately he feels sorry for J.W's and wishes we'd let go and have fun. Inside my heart and head, I agreed with them.

  Most of the time, when someone asks how I am and I tell them I'm not so good, they very ironically say "we'll it's a good job you've got The Truth" and "I'm sure being here tonight will make you feel better, then" - but most J.W's in my experience simply start walking away the minute someone says they're unwell or whatever. Nice.

  I find the CLam meeting analysis on this site very good.

  Instead of wasting my time at a CLAM meeting I'd rather be helping the homeless or doing real 'good'.